what vista should do

Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) This would be slow even on the fastest of computers. This is why programs

such as OneCare Live have it scheduled for when you're not using the computer.

- SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. Could do, but file systems could influence this not happening. They may

simply not be compatible.

- Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) The mouse pointers are one thing which will barely change. The busy cursor

icon is important, however if a program is non-responsive, Task Manager still opens and you can normally get the normal pointer when you hover over the X in the corner.

- Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end. Now where would this actually go? Too much hassle, and this wouldn't be

pheasable.

- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) Again, users need to know what's going on. This could be seen as intrusive.

- Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) OneCare doesn't have one, however Vista will have set in the Control Panels

for more options such as this.

- *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc It's reliant on the architecture of the installer file itself. Windows

Installer does what it can, however saves some settings etc.

That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION. Yeh, integration can be great, however what if you just want one of them

doing?
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--- Original message follows --- <Nicholas> wrote in message

Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

Bravissimo!
INEGRATION, Aye!
Put It In The Operating System....
DSH
<Nicholas> wrote in message

Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

What the heck is Inegration????
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Bravissimo!
INEGRATION, Aye!
Put It In The Operating System....
DSH
Nicholas> wrote in message
Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

Well... *integration* is where a load of things come together as one.
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Bravissimo!
INEGRATION, Aye!
Put It In The Operating System....
DSH
Nicholas> wrote in message
Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

INEGRATION, Aye!
Put It In The Operating System....

:-)
When Microsoft integrates a browser or a media player, they get dragged to court for abusing their monopoly.
When Microsoft doesn't integrate an antivirus, consumers complain that it's not enough.

LOL. Zack you are too serious at times
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Well... *integration* is where a load of things come together as one.
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--- Original message follows --- "Peter Foldes" wrote in message What the heck is Inegration????
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message Bravissimo!
INEGRATION, Aye!
Put It In The Operating System....
DSH
Nicholas> wrote in message
Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

I've *only* just got that... can't believe I didn't see that one before!! :-o
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Well... *integration* is where a load of things come together as one.
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message Bravissimo!
INEGRATION, Aye!
Put It In The Operating System....
DSH
Nicholas> wrote in message
Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

"When Microsoft doesn't integrate an antivirus, consumers complain that it's not enough."
I never asked for anti-virus to be integrated into Windows. I just asked if they could integrate the *existing* maintanence tools into one package. That is, Windows OneCare (without the Live) : )
Regards
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

Hi,
First, the busy cursor does not give any indication of how long you're going to wait. When an app crashes, the busy cursor is there indefinitely. But I guess yes, there's nothing the software can tell how long something's gonna take.
But other than that, I guess this is just the limitation of software and computing, "unpredictability"...
.... at least with my Hi-Fi I could always tell the speaker will go up instantly when I turn up the volume knob...
Regards
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World" "Homer J. Simpson" wrote in message

- Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...)
What do you suggest as an alternative? I'd rather have a busy cursor and know I have to wait than not have a busy cursor at all but have no idea why an application isn't responding. The busy cursor serves its purpose; it's there to tell people there's no point clicking like it's going out of style--nothing else. Or, by "get rid of the Busy cursors", are you really suggesting to not make anyone wait for anything, ever? (good luck with that...)
- Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
There are already way too many programs out there that have a progress bar that goes from 0 to 100%, but do it repeatedly--so in the end, you still have no idea how long an operation's going to take. A progress bar is useless if not used properly.
It's up to individual developers to properly determine the number of operations that still need to be completed in their software and update their progress bars accordingly. The OS itself has no idea what steps a program has to go through to be fully loaded and operational--it's a lot more than just transfering the binary data in an EXE into memory.
Nick, don't get me wrong, I'm not rejecting these ideas as silly, I'm just saying that to properly implement them, it's gonna take efforts from more than just Microsoft. Strictly speaking, both ideas quoted above have nothing to do with the OS itself. The OS doesn't decide when to use a Busy cursor; individual applications do. The OS doesn't (and can't) intelligently update a progress bar when it's loading some application. The problem lies with third-party developers.
OTOH, granted, the problem does lie with Microsoft when you see this behavior in Microsoft applications, but my point is, none of it has to do with the underlying OS--it's up to the individual applications. Hence IMNSHO these points don't belong in a "What Vista Should Do" thread at all, as it's not up to the OS to fix to begin with...
Maintanence:
- *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Lots of efforts by lots of different people have been put into this over the course of many years. The reality is that there are too many "what-if"s, "what-do-we-do-with"s, and "how-do-we-not-break-these-when"s.
If I may go on a tangent--I do agree that the problem's been compounded by Microsoft in recent years by introducing (in an effort to streamline?) folders like Local Settings, Application Data, Documents and Settings, My Documents--and it looks like whatever consistency there is in that respect between 2000 and XP is being broken in Vista... >:-( Thing is, unless you want to break existing applications and start over with a clean slate, we have to live with the problem. Third-parties cannot make assumptions or organize their files in any predetermined fashion if there is no consistency within the OS itself...
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
That sounds an awful lot like MMC snapins that sorta worked with Win2K. Unfortunately from what I'm seeing in the CTPs, it doesn't really look like this is happening...I could be wrong though--I've only spent an hour at the most (so far) with that confused mess that is 5308.

Has anyone realised that OneCare sounds a bit like the (British word) being w*nker? I told my father about OneCare and he burst out laughing, only to explain this one to me - totally went over my head. It definately works if you say "OneCare" over and over again, hehe.
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--- Original message follows --- <Nicholas> wrote in message

"When Microsoft doesn't integrate an antivirus, consumers complain that it's not enough."
I never asked for anti-virus to be integrated into Windows. I just asked if they could integrate the *existing* maintanence tools into one package. That is, Windows OneCare (without the Live) : )
Regards
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

Vista should greet me in the morning with breakfast in bed :)
-- Dena Centenero LispyGlitter2 on Neowin.net
<Nicholas> wrote in message

Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

LOL!
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--- Original message follows --- "Dena C" wrote in message

Vista should greet me in the morning with breakfast in bed :)
-- Dena Centenero LispyGlitter2 on Neowin.net
Nicholas> wrote in message Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

I'll file it as a suggestion ;o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

LOL!
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--- Original message follows --- "Dena C" wrote in message Vista should greet me in the morning with breakfast in bed :)
-- Dena Centenero LispyGlitter2 on Neowin.net
Nicholas> wrote in message Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

"This would be slow even on the fastest of computers. This is why programs such as OneCare Live have it scheduled for when you're not using the computer."
Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant Auto-Defrag after a period of inactivity. Somehow I find scheduling is useless for consumers because people just turn off the computer before they go to bed. And how is the computer going to wake up at 3 to do defraging? I know Vista might change things this time but defaulting things to Sleep, but even then it might be better to set it to auto-defrag at say...
"Sleep (Fine-Tune)"
You know in WinXP SP2 when Autoupdates are available, a little shield icon appears on the top right corner of the Turn Off button? How about that for maintanence?
But anyhow, my point is let the user do less work to keep their computers running at top speed.
"Yeh, integration can be great, however what if you just want one of them doing?"
Easy. In Windows OneCare (NOT LIVE), just click one of the specific maintenance tasks in the normal routine list then it'll just do what you ask it to. Again, having one place for all this stuff will bring loads of comfort.
Regards
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

I like some of Nicholas's ideas, especially the progress bar one. I think the progress bar should be small (As in no longer than 32 pixels) and be just below the cursor. "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) This would be slow even on the fastest of computers. This is why programs such as OneCare Live have it scheduled for when you're not using the computer.
- SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. Could do, but file systems could influence this not happening. They may simply not be compatible.
- Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) The mouse pointers are one thing which will barely change. The busy cursor icon is important, however if a program is non-responsive, Task Manager still opens and you can normally get the normal pointer when you hover over the X in the corner.
- Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end. Now where would this actually go? Too much hassle, and this wouldn't be pheasable.
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) Again, users need to know what's going on. This could be seen as intrusive.
- Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) OneCare doesn't have one, however Vista will have set in the Control Panels for more options such as this.
- *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc It's reliant on the architecture of the installer file itself. Windows Installer does what it can, however saves some settings etc.
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION. Yeh, integration can be great, however what if you just want one of them doing?
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--- Original message follows --- Nicholas> wrote in message Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.

RE: Busy Cursor
A lot of people do associate it with it being slow. If it's available to click somewhere and it work, lose the busy cursor. With dual core CPU's, I see this as being less of an issue.
I see the majority of Vista being deployed in new PC's (which by next year should be majority dual core), so the issues shouldn't be as great then. With dual core CPU's and higher RAM, multitasking will be better, and the busy cursor will be less seen. But when it is, it is bothersome....
Dustin Harper
"Travis King" wrote in message

I like some of Nicholas's ideas, especially the progress bar one. I think the progress bar should be small (As in no longer than 32 pixels) and be just below the cursor. "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message - Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) This would be slow even on the fastest of computers. This is why programs such as OneCare Live have it scheduled for when you're not using the computer.
- SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. Could do, but file systems could influence this not happening. They may simply not be compatible.
- Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) The mouse pointers are one thing which will barely change. The busy cursor icon is important, however if a program is non-responsive, Task Manager still opens and you can normally get the normal pointer when you hover over the X in the corner.
- Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end. Now where would this actually go? Too much hassle, and this wouldn't be pheasable.
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) Again, users need to know what's going on. This could be seen as intrusive.
- Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) OneCare doesn't have one, however Vista will have set in the Control Panels for more options such as this.
- *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc It's reliant on the architecture of the installer file itself. Windows Installer does what it can, however saves some settings etc.
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION. Yeh, integration can be great, however what if you just want one of them doing?
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--- Original message follows --- Nicholas> wrote in message Performance:
- Auto-defrag in the background (not running the program) - SuperFetch to SD, CompactFlash, etc, not just USB. - Get rid of the Busy cursors if you want people to feel Vista is responsive (there's a psychology problem with the busy cursor believe it or not...) - Use a progress bar to show how long it will take to open a program instead of a busy cursor which you never know will end.
Maintanence:
- Auto-Disk Cleanup in the background (not running the program) - Registry Cleaner (I think OneCare Live does that right?) - *CLEAN* uninstalls with Windows Installer, not leaving junk in the Program Files, system32, Local Settings, Application Data, Registry, etc
Finally:
Integrate all the utilities into one, there's too many for a normal person to remember what and where they are. Look at the reality situation:
Check Disk Defragmenter Disk Cleanup Backup System Restore Windows Defender
That's just insane. Why can't they just make it into one Windows OneCare (Not Live) and let the user click once and leave it do all the hard and dirty work. If MS wants money that's fine, just sell subscriptions for Windows OneCare *Live* that will *add* anti-virus and reg-cleaner. But for the rest of us, we want INTEGRATION.
Thank you.